tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485997200234349788.post6151997069568510807..comments2024-03-07T12:48:21.070+00:00Comments on MAGONIA REVIEW: ABDUCTION RESEARCHER RELATIONSHIPS - CAROL RAINEYUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485997200234349788.post-73882958015718374092014-02-25T09:38:19.535+00:002014-02-25T09:38:19.535+00:00Re: "Affirming the Host" - Jacobs has al...Re: "Affirming the Host" - Jacobs has always struck me as an egotistical pompous pedant, and this opinion was formed long before Carol Rainey ever knew him. He treated his research subjects like beetles to be displayed with all of their sub-intelligent attributes, (almost everyone is sub-intelligent once Jacobs compares them to himself) stuck by a pin to a cork board. He REQUIRED affirmation from them by negating and NOT INCLUDING information contrary to his personal beliefs about the phenomena - long before Emma Woods showed up. To a lesser extent, Budd Hopkins did the same, and to an even lesser extent, so did John Mack. When several of Mack's original four abductees commented that aliens were "Physical, and not an encroachment of the spiritual realm on the physical realm" he dismissed this information and kept repeating himself that he believed the phenomena could be an encroachment of the spiritual on the physical realm. He did this because he was looking to the phenomena to convince him of the life of spirit - something his own religion had failed to do for him. Did his abductee research subjects appreciate this need in him? Not really. Was this wrong of him as a researcher? Yes. A little. But it was also very human and personal bias is often present in social sciences research. When Hopkins research subjects refused to characterize themselves as rape victims who were so deceived by aliens they had no idea what their experiences were about... he often dismissed or refused to include their information. The point is this - the dynamic was NOT AT ALL a situation of "parasite on host" - "go along to get along" parasitic behavior on the part of abductees... but of selective hearing and cherry picking data on the part of researchers. And abductees, most of them in the closet, and unable to speak up for themselves to a wider audience, were not ABLE TO CONTRADICT IN PUBLIC their researchers when their researchers CONTINUOUSLY CONTRADICTED THEM IN PUBLIC. Carol Rainey was obviously not privy to the back room conversations of abductee research subjects complaining that they were not "being listened to" by their researchers, This includes Mack, the most academic and respected of the three mentioned. While outsiders may split hairs and form negative angles that are hostile to both abductees and researchers, the bulk of abductees are more likely to report that they were grateful to receive any assistance from researchers at all... and therefore less likely to complain loudly when a researcher refused to include their information in entirety as it was reported in the summation of their findings. One never wants to kick the shins of the firefighter who saves one from the burning building. The combination of wanting to maintain one's anonymity and wanting to withhold negative comments towards those who have been so helpful in a personal emergency is not parasitic behavior, it is respectful, socially aware, diplomatic, gratitude. It doesn't truly help the science... but then again, neither does researcher bias.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485997200234349788.post-9345185814087740542011-03-09T15:19:10.987+00:002011-03-09T15:19:10.987+00:00I agree with Mr. McGonagle's sentiments. I wou...I agree with Mr. McGonagle's sentiments. I would point out that by coming forward with her case, Miss Woods HAS taken responsibility. Mr. Jacobs had, afterall, marginalized previous complainers with the charge of "insanity."<br /><br />It would be interesting to inquire as to whether these noncompliant, "crazy", ex-patients of Mr. Jacobs were referred for treatment to Temple University Psychiatrists/Psychoanalysts and whether these conveniently crazy ex-clients were eventually hospitalized as a result of the referral.<br /><br />Was he creating symptoms only to have his University treat them? <br /><br />If Mr. Jacobs acted as an internal referral service, did he receive remuneration for said services? Doesn't it serve a double purpose? His psychiatrist friends receive the referral. He gets to say noncompliant clients are crazy.<br /><br />I'd suggest less spooky inquiries into his motivations than alien evasion are likely to be more productive.<br /><br />Miss Rainey has covered the other half of the meter. Yes, abductees return the favor and hoax researchers. The commitment to the hoaxed narrative by the researcher measures whether his is a faith-based or a scientific endeavor.<br /><br />Budd Hopkins is a religious figure.Gary Hadenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18175011391189776035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485997200234349788.post-12280316760437851852011-03-08T18:44:43.801+00:002011-03-08T18:44:43.801+00:00My own views on the abuse of hypnotic techniques a...My own views on the abuse of hypnotic techniques and the victims of those who use them in 'abduction research' are well known. Unfortunately, unless and until a high-profile case succeeds in claiming substantial damages from their 'abduction therapist' the entertainment (for that is what it is) will continue at the expense of the subjects.<br /><br />It also has to be said that the subjects themselves and anyone that referred them to these dabbling hypnotists should bear some part of the responsibility - who would allow the local butcher to carry out heart surgery, or refer someone to the butcher instead of a trained professional?Joe McGonaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06244493715061015508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485997200234349788.post-5137099213354349492011-03-07T16:22:20.243+00:002011-03-07T16:22:20.243+00:00Hello Ms. Rainey! a very interesting article, and ...Hello Ms. Rainey! a very interesting article, and i can't wait to see the rest of your documentary.<br /><br />"A model that puts their own safety first, one that puts a premium on how and by what valid methods knowledge is gained and how it might be verified." how i also hope that this becomes the motto of future research into anomalous experiences. i had a near death experience over 25 years ago - the potential for psychological, emotional, social, ontological, etc. 'explosions' after such an event is extraordinarily high. Any research into these parts of human experience cannot be taken seriously unless it's main motivation is helping experiencers to become healthy and to come to terms with these events. (has it ever occurred to any researcher that figuring out what helps experiencers may provide insight in to the nature of these events?)<br /><br />I agree that Ms. Woods' approach is probably stressful and non-productive for her - but i very much understand her commitment to making other experiencers aware of the pitfalls and dangers of many practices current in alien abduction research. don't forget that her mental health professional encouraged her to seek help from Mr. Jacobs, as she was mentally healthy and the professional had no tools to help her with her anomalous experiences. the impact of such experiences can be very difficult to deal with, and there's not much help out there.<br /><br />again, thank you Ms. Rainey for making a very helpful contribution to the ongoing dialogue about researching these events. stephtinyjuncohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03614867046924013061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485997200234349788.post-71899643497754992772011-03-07T14:07:41.952+00:002011-03-07T14:07:41.952+00:00This is both fascinating and disturbing for all th...This is both fascinating and disturbing for all the obvious reasons. I think if we imagined this was about an event that had nothing to do with an abduction in the sense that it was not loaded with such strong emotional responses on either side of the court of opinion, and was a actual "court case" about an alleged generic event, the evidence speaks for itself, which is the willingness to suspend and inflate a clear case of the fabrication of evidence. The accompanying hyperbole as well as the vested unwillingness to deny other disturbing issues with abduction cases perhaps proves that a couple of bad apples spoil the bunch.Bruce Duensinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06770861553045757360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485997200234349788.post-63378049496636849392011-03-06T16:50:01.092+00:002011-03-06T16:50:01.092+00:00Hasn't anyone around here read Running with Sc...Hasn't anyone around here read Running with Scissors? All Budd and Dave need is their masterbatorium.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com