tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485997200234349788.post8167608712057840120..comments2024-03-07T12:48:21.070+00:00Comments on MAGONIA REVIEW: CLEARING THE UFO DESKUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485997200234349788.post-73684811636390880322016-03-06T10:13:42.311+00:002016-03-06T10:13:42.311+00:00CLARKE said that the Rendall Forrest was a lighth...CLARKE said that the Rendall Forrest was a lighthouse because the major describing the UFO didnt mention the lighthouse at the same time. to be honest if I was witnessing a UFO I wouldnt be giving a monkeys about a lighthouse I was familiar with . DR Clarke is a shill ...periodAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485997200234349788.post-17713865022719720862012-11-07T01:57:44.839+00:002012-11-07T01:57:44.839+00:00@Unknown
> I don't see "attacked"...@Unknown<br /><br />> I don't see "attacked" in those posts.<br /><br />You don't see the posters using circular reasoning to argue that Clarke was "compromised," that the fix was in, by the very fact he <i>succeeded</i> in getting the files? You don't see Clarke being implicated in a conspiracy to deceive the public with a disinformation programme?<br /><br />Or do you think that is praise?<br /><br />> An example is the ridiculous "too far to travel" statement we keep getting from some skeptics in science<br /><br />Allow me to dispel your ignorance. This was the position of J. Allen Hynek himself. See this interview in the February 1985 issue of Omni, pages 108 and 109. It was published only a year before he died, so I assume it represents his mature thought on the subject.<br /><br />http://www.astralgia.com/pdf/hynek.pdf<br /><br />Don't get your information from partisans and advocates. They will deceive you. You must look for yourself.<br /><br />> To walk away in a huff by not convincing fundamentalists to become secularists is hardly a mark of living in reality<br /><br />You miss the point. UFO proponents bitch and complain <i>ceaselessly</i> about government secrecy, academic indifference and media blackouts. So what did the believers do in this case, when we had a massive government file release instigated by an academic and well-covered by news outlets on both sides of the Atlantic? They belittled the event and smeared the messenger.<br /><br />The file release contradicted the proponents' paranoid narrative in every way, so they attacked and denied it until they re-wrote reality to fit their liking.<br /><br />I wish Dr. Clarke had stayed at Updates (I told him so in an email at the time) but I understand why he left. Simply put, a lot of believers claim to be interested in facts, disclosure, research, but turns out it's not true! They were fibbing the whole time!<br /><br />Why should he require someone to put up with that?Terry the Censorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13361088223337740598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485997200234349788.post-24626532834205943002012-11-06T17:55:24.978+00:002012-11-06T17:55:24.978+00:00The question 'why a journalist/folklorist is t...The question 'why a journalist/folklorist is the one put in place as the figurehead' demonstrates the writer hasn't troubled themselves to read the book that is the subject of this review!<br />If he/she had done so they would be aware that no one put me in that position - I got there through sheer hard work at the coal face, digging in the archives and forcing the hand of the MoD through a Freedom of Information campaign.<br />As for the gobbledygook about not moving the 'game forward' and bringing meat to the table, The UFO Files - which again is the subject of this review - is the meat, brought to the table after 20 years of hard graft. Perhaps 'unknown' might like to taste it first?<br />And finally, with regards to my departure from the UFO Updates list. It never ceases to amuse me as to why my exit from a redundant and pointless newsgroup should create such a furore. I served my time in the lion's den (I was an active subscriber from 1999-2007 as the archives demonstrate) and have been mauled plenty of times before. But I've moved on and see no point in wasting valuable time and energy on attempting to engage rationally with members of closed UFO cult. There comes a point where you stop banging your head against the wall and find more productive things to do.<br /> Dave Clarkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17811372009688882929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485997200234349788.post-9717183241685312252012-11-05T14:14:04.979+00:002012-11-05T14:14:04.979+00:00"From what I read I think it's a fair que..."From what I read I think it's a fair question to ask why a journalist/folklorist is the one put in place as the figurehead discussing an immense and global physical phenomenon."<br /><br />Mainly because is is a ufologist who has been studying the phenomemon and doing direct investigations for forty years.Magoniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18201163989347743921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485997200234349788.post-30999815478057340182012-11-03T20:24:32.076+00:002012-11-03T20:24:32.076+00:00I don't see "attacked" in those post...I don't see "attacked" in those posts.<br /><br />You want to turn a football match into a myth is fine, but the game took place, the ball is scuffed, the players played, and people witnessed it. The tone of those posts sound like a group fed up with a point of view that was too limited on Clarke's part.<br /><br />From what I read I think it's a fair question to ask why a journalist/folklorist is the one put in place as the figurehead discussing an immense and global physical phenomenon. I don't dismiss the folklore connection but I also don't want it as the spear point of my discussion. The UFO issue is physical--explore that first with "support" from human psychology and folklore. Discovering the mountain gorilla wasn't done by a journalist. Solving a modern day murder isn't about studying Jack the Ripper.<br /><br />Ufology, science, and the media have done a horrendous job of analyzing reports from the science of tomorrow and today. An example is the ridiculous "too far to travel" statement we keep getting from some skeptics in science who apparently think man's 100 years of flight also applies to species millions of years older in our universe, and these same skeptics also have no concept of "bases" "colonies" and "hotels" that we use to eliminate or comfort our own travel. We don't fly to the Bahamas every day for vacation, or work overseas without long term residences, or plan to fly to Mars every 6 months without a base. Yet, according to skeptical thought the ufo occupants are too dumb to understand this "base" concept, or to have had the time to invent forms of propulsion that we don't know yet. Ridiculous!<br /><br />The media approaches ufos like a 12 year old's book report with few inspired questions or knowledge of science...but lots of story telling about the characters. How do they fly without making sonic booms at such incredible speeds and so low to the ground? How do they turn so sharp? How did they do this in the 1950s? Who flew over Washington DC in 1952...more than once?!! It's an amazing lack of interest from the "journalists" on this that makes them circumspect when they try to claim their rightful place as the people's champion on ufos. <br /><br />And of course the ufologists who latch on to every insider rumor or conspiracy to sell books or convention tickets do little good for the situation either. Of course science's lack of honest interest has left the subject to be picked up by those that either honestly see there is an amazing phenomenon there, or by those that see an easy way to make a few bucks by spouting nonsense to those that need an answer.<br /><br />My long posts is to state that this is not about David Clarke, this is about everyone failing. My question is why? Who wants us to fall into ego battles that go nowhere? The 1960s seems to be the time when this split began. I don't buy into it. I choose neither side and I don't ignore/believe either science or good ufologists, since all sides have failed. <br /><br />David Clarke may have good points, but what good is it if he fails to move the game forward? To walk away in a huff by not convincing fundamentalists to become secularists is hardly a mark of living in reality. Go into the lion's den and expect to get mauled, if you don't bring some meat to the table.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670211898347649639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485997200234349788.post-56321050599552500332012-11-02T20:39:25.771+00:002012-11-02T20:39:25.771+00:00In 2010, David Clarke unsubscribed from UFO Update...In 2010, David Clarke unsubscribed from UFO Updates because he was sick of being attacked for daring to speak about UFO reports in terms of psychology and folklore. Some of the gentlemen there, apparently writing under the influence of rabies, couldn't contain their euphoria, denouncing Clarke as a propagandist and government shill (you know, the standard definition of "well-informed skeptic").<br /><br />http://www.ufoupdateslist.com/2010/sep/m23-006.shtml<br />http://www.ufoupdateslist.com/2010/sep/m24-008.shtml<br />http://www.ufoupdateslist.com/2010/sep/m24-011.shtml<br /><br />The believers speculated that the government gave the files to a folklorist as a way of smearing the reports as tall tales. None of the gentlemen noted that Dr. Clarke is a professor of journalism, a field long-noted for contributing to historical knowledge by getting at government archives.Terry the Censorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13361088223337740598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485997200234349788.post-23326076657750872122012-11-02T16:44:45.071+00:002012-11-02T16:44:45.071+00:00Read all about it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2...Read all about it:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Alderney_UFO_sightingMagoniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18201163989347743921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485997200234349788.post-7167982948414284752012-11-02T14:17:09.655+00:002012-11-02T14:17:09.655+00:00The Alderney light???The Alderney light???Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07009879034507926661noreply@blogger.com